INTEREST: Study shows Mac OS X Server among most secure in world

..from Tony Wong in Architecture: A year or so ago a study showed that Windows was the most hacked OS with Linux a close 2nd and Netware/Mac way at the bottom. Here's a recent study that has some rather suprising, but expected results.
It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php?redirect=...
Tony Wong

According to Wayne Billing:
..from Tony Wong in Architecture: A year or so ago a study showed that Windows was the most hacked OS with Linux a close 2nd and Netware/Mac way at the bottom. Here's a recent study that has some rather suprising, but expected results.
It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php?redirect=...
In this case, judging from what I've read, the weakest link would seem to be the quality mi2g's research. They don't seem to give the number of successful attacks as a percentage of installed systems, so it's pretty hard to draw any real conclusions about why the Linux numbers are now higher than for Windows. It simply may be that it's because there are now much more Linux servers deployed, not because a greater percentage of deployed systems are getting hacked. Their study also omitted all hacks involving viruses, worms and trojan horses - a pretty dubious omission, and one which obviously favours Windows systems, as this is arguably the most common attack vector for Windows.
If there is indeed any truth to the suggestion in their report that Linux systems are now being successfully attacked more than Windows, the most likely reason is probably that their adminstrators are lax about keeping them updated with recent patches. This is an area where Linux is now a tad weaker. Despite the flaws/bugs in Windows Update, it does a pretty good job in most cases of keeping a system up to date, and it makes it easy for the user/admin to do so. That and all the press in the past year about security bugs in Windows has probably prompted Windows users to do a half-decent job of keeping their systems up to date.
Linux, on the other hand, doesn't make it quite as easy. Most Linux distributions install a secure configuration right out of the box, and provide updates on a very timely basis (usually much quicker than MS or Apple), but don't usually make it as easy as Windows Update or Mac OS X Software Update to install these. Red Hat has their up2date utility, but you have to (or had to, before Fedora) subscribe to an update service which cost money after a trial period - something which I suspect a lot of Linux users didn't want to do. The alternative was to find other means of automating the process, which can be done easily and cheaply enough, but how many "casual" Linux users would bother? The problem here is probably that people don't realise the danger in taking a casual approach to installing and maintaining a server system, and don't put the effort into learning how to do this properly.
To Apple's credit, they probably find the best balance in making their OS secure out of the box, making timely updates available, and making it dead easy to install these updates. But from reading the article above, it's not at all clear whether this is the reason for the low number of attacks, or just because there were very few Mac OS X systems deployed as servers in the sectors they surveyed.

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Gilles Detillieux wrote:
According to Wayne Billing:
..from Tony Wong in Architecture:
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It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php?redirect=...
In this case, judging from what I've read, the weakest link would seem to be the quality mi2g's research. They don't seem to give the number of successful attacks as a percentage of installed systems, so it's pretty hard to draw any real conclusions about why the Linux numbers are now higher than for Windows.
I think you're reading a little too much into that report. I was just trying to say that a) BSD/OpenBSD/OSX is considered by many to be fairly secure, b) The quality of the system administrator has a great deal to do with the security of a system.
The conclusions regarding the number of successful Linux attacks mi2g announced certainly can't be justified from their posted article. mi2g is like the Gartner Group or PricewaterhouseCoopers - you want the full report you have to go buy it. I have purchased some other reports after reading a short summary online and the full report is typically 30 - 200+ pages in length.
Tony Wong

At 5:27 PM -0600 2004/02/23, ATWong wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Gilles Detillieux wrote:
According to Wayne Billing:
..from Tony Wong in Architecture:
...
It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php?redirect=...
In this case, judging from what I've read, the weakest link would seem to be the quality mi2g's research. They don't seem to give the number of successful attacks as a percentage of installed systems, so it's pretty hard to draw any real conclusions about why the Linux numbers are now higher than for Windows.
I think you're reading a little too much into that report. I was just trying to say that a) BSD/OpenBSD/OSX is considered by many to be fairly secure, b) The quality of the system administrator has a great deal to do with the security of a system.
Thanks to you both for pointing out the inherent weaknesses in: - believing everything one reads - some information found on the internet
::-)
Wayne

Just a thought ... since its a security report, perhaps someone in IST should bring it to David Milton's attention. Dave could purchase the report (perhaps with PDA), and then submit it to Libraries so we could all have a chance read the entire report.
Doug ------------- Doug Hamilton, BA, MA, APP Senior Apple Computer Consultant Computers-on-Campus; Univ. of Manitoba 204-474-6196 204-474-7556 http://www.umanitoba.ca/bookstore/
On 24-Feb-04, at 10:08 AM, Wayne Billing wrote:
At 5:27 PM -0600 2004/02/23, ATWong wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Gilles Detillieux wrote:
According to Wayne Billing:
..from Tony Wong in Architecture:
...
It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the
weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php? redirect=1077281339000
In this case, judging from what I've read, the weakest link would seem to be the quality mi2g's research. They don't seem to give the number of successful attacks as a percentage of installed systems, so it's pretty hard to draw any real conclusions about why the Linux numbers are now higher than for Windows.
I think you're reading a little too much into that report. I was just trying to say that a) BSD/OpenBSD/OSX is considered by many to be fairly secure, b) The quality of the system administrator has a great deal to do with the security of a system.
Thanks to you both for pointing out the inherent weaknesses in:
- believing everything one reads
- some information found on the internet
::-)
Wayne
apple-list mailing list apple-list@lists.umanitoba.ca http://lists.umanitoba.ca/mailman/listinfo/apple-list

With our current funding situtation I can't afford to buy the security report from mi2g.net. If someone had $1600 for January's monthly security report at 160 pages, I'm sure we would all be interested. :-)
Tony ==================================
On Wed, 25 Feb 2004, Doug Hamilton wrote:
Just a thought ... since its a security report, perhaps someone in IST should bring it to David Milton's attention. Dave could purchase the report (perhaps with PDA), and then submit it to Libraries so we could all have a chance read the entire report.
Doug
Doug Hamilton, BA, MA, APP Senior Apple Computer Consultant Computers-on-Campus; Univ. of Manitoba 204-474-6196 204-474-7556 http://www.umanitoba.ca/bookstore/
On 24-Feb-04, at 10:08 AM, Wayne Billing wrote:
At 5:27 PM -0600 2004/02/23, ATWong wrote:
On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, Gilles Detillieux wrote:
According to Wayne Billing:
..from Tony Wong in Architecture:
...
It just goes to show how security is only as strong as the
weakest link.
http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2004/02/20/osxserver/index.php? redirect=1077281339000
In this case, judging from what I've read, the weakest link would seem to be the quality mi2g's research. They don't seem to give the number of successful attacks as a percentage of installed systems, so it's pretty hard to draw any real conclusions about why the Linux numbers are now higher than for Windows.
I think you're reading a little too much into that report. I was just trying to say that a) BSD/OpenBSD/OSX is considered by many to be fairly secure, b) The quality of the system administrator has a great deal to do with the security of a system.
Thanks to you both for pointing out the inherent weaknesses in:
- believing everything one reads
- some information found on the internet
::-)
Wayne
apple-list mailing list apple-list@lists.umanitoba.ca http://lists.umanitoba.ca/mailman/listinfo/apple-list
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