Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
Thanks Nicole.
Indeed, we/CAHRI should organise a meeting to discuss all that’s happening and what it may or should mean.
I’ll follow-up.
Take care and best wishes to all, John
From: Barrett, Nicole barrett@allard.ubc.ca Sent: February 28, 2022 2:29 PM To: Frederick John Packer John.Packer@uottawa.ca; Kyle Matthews kyle.matthews@concordia.ca Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca
Hi John,
Yes, please just accept edits that make sense given the time crunch. Also agree statement should go out today. We can discuss the challenges with the P5 structure later!
Best, Nicole
Nicole A. Barrett (She/Her/Hers) Director, International Justice and Human Rights Clinic Peter A. Allard School of Law University of British Columbia Unceded xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) Territory 1822 East Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z1 Phone: 604 827 0678 | Fax: 604 822 8108 barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca |www.allard.ubc.cahttp://www.allard.ubc.ca/ @AllardLawhttp://www.twitter.com/allardlaw
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From: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Date: Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:16 AM To: "Barrett, Nicole" <barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca>, Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: "hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca" <hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca> Subject: RE: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
[CAUTION: Non-UBC Email] Thanks Nicole for your quick response, careful read and suggested edits.
I believe we can all accept improvements in grammar and clarity, and updating (as I have mentioned revision vis-à-vis Council of Europe action and now uniting for peace resolution). Beyond these, I don’t believe we have time to debate some formulations. E.g. the third paragraph is explicitly about Russia in the SC … and while one might deduce implications for other permanent members, that is not now the subject being addressed.
I also believe it is both logically coherent and in fact the legal obligation of UN Member States always to seek peaceful resolution of disputes including in moments of self-defense as Article 33 and, more so, Article 51 explicitly make clear; the Charter does not oblige States to non-violence in self-defense, but it also does not relieve them of the underlying and ongoing duty. In this respect, it strikes me that Ukraine is being entirely consistent including applying at the ICJ for injunctive relief (an Order for Provisional Measures)… exactly a pacific recourse foreseen in Article 33. We can and should commend Ukraine for persistently (and creatively) remaining on this path.
Of course, these are good topics for later debate (if we are fortunate enough to be afforded that luxury).
I believe we need to issue the statement today (this evening latest) for relevance/currency. I hope others will respond ASAP (FYI, we are about halfway there in terms of membership).
Best wishes to all, John
From: Barrett, Nicole <barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca> Sent: February 27, 2022 8:55 PM To: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca>; Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca Subject: Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
Attention : courriel externe | external email Hi John,
We will endorse and attach some suggested edits.
Best, Nicole
Nicole A. Barrett (She/Her/Hers) Director, International Justice and Human Rights Clinic Peter A. Allard School of Law University of British Columbia Unceded xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) Territory 1822 East Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z1 Phone: 604 827 0678 | Fax: 604 822 8108 barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca |www.allard.ubc.cahttp://www.allard.ubc.ca/ @AllardLawhttp://www.twitter.com/allardlaw
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From: <hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.ca> on behalf of Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Date: Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 2:23 PM To: Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: "hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca" <hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca> Subject: Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
[CAUTION: Non-UBC Email] Thanks Kyle for the quick and positive response. There isn’t much we can individually do in the circumstances – commensurate with the magnitude of what is happening. But we can speak out – and together is better than alone! Thanks! John
From: Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Sent: February 26, 2022 5:21 PM To: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca
Hi John,
The Montréal institute for genocide and human rights studies is happy to endorse.
Kyle Matthews Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> wrote: Dear all CAHRI Members,
In this extraordinary moment – when the global rules-based international order is shaken to its core, human rights utterly disregarded, and nuclear war threatened by a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council, I take the liberty to address you hoping for solidarity in issuing the attached joint statement.
We/HRREC-uOttawa believe that the moral and legal basis for our international work is threatened by the actions of Putin/Russia and we cannot sensibly sit silently watching.
I note other important institutions have issued statements.
I believe CAHRI should, too.
I understand some CAHRI Members have policies against issuing any statements or endorsing any. That can be respected by indicating (by an asterisk) those members that wish to include their names; it is also possible to indicate an individual’s name and affiliation (as in X, Professor and Director of Y). It would, of course, be preferable simply to issue the statement for the group as a whole.
Given the speed of developments, it would be preferable to issue the statement by close of business on Monday, 28 February (5pm ET). We could then post it on our websites and also share it with media or others as we deem appropriate.
Thank you for your consideration and response.
I am available for any clarification.
Sincerely, John Cell: 613 854 6889
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Office number: 204 474 6156 Cell number: 604 817 0311 ________________________________ From: hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.ca hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.ca on behalf of Frederick John Packer John.Packer@uottawa.ca Sent: Monday, February 28, 2022 1:31 PM To: Barrett, Nicole barrett@allard.ubc.ca; Kyle Matthews kyle.matthews@concordia.ca Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca Subject: Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
Thanks Nicole.
Indeed, we/CAHRI should organise a meeting to discuss all that’s happening and what it may or should mean.
I’ll follow-up.
Take care and best wishes to all,
John
From: Barrett, Nicole barrett@allard.ubc.ca Sent: February 28, 2022 2:29 PM To: Frederick John Packer John.Packer@uottawa.ca; Kyle Matthews kyle.matthews@concordia.ca Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca
Hi John,
Yes, please just accept edits that make sense given the time crunch. Also agree statement should go out today. We can discuss the challenges with the P5 structure later!
Best,
Nicole
Nicole A. Barrett (She/Her/Hers)
Director, International Justice and Human Rights Clinic
Peter A. Allard School of Law
University of British Columbia
Unceded xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) Territory
1822 East Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z1 Phone: 604 827 0678 | Fax: 604 822 8108
barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca |www.allard.ubc.cahttp://www.allard.ubc.ca/
@AllardLawhttp://www.twitter.com/allardlaw
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From: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Date: Monday, February 28, 2022 at 11:16 AM To: "Barrett, Nicole" <barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca>, Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: "hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca" <hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca> Subject: RE: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
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Thanks Nicole for your quick response, careful read and suggested edits.
I believe we can all accept improvements in grammar and clarity, and updating (as I have mentioned revision vis-à-vis Council of Europe action and now uniting for peace resolution). Beyond these, I don’t believe we have time to debate some formulations. E.g. the third paragraph is explicitly about Russia in the SC … and while one might deduce implications for other permanent members, that is not now the subject being addressed.
I also believe it is both logically coherent and in fact the legal obligation of UN Member States always to seek peaceful resolution of disputes including in moments of self-defense as Article 33 and, more so, Article 51 explicitly make clear; the Charter does not oblige States to non-violence in self-defense, but it also does not relieve them of the underlying and ongoing duty. In this respect, it strikes me that Ukraine is being entirely consistent including applying at the ICJ for injunctive relief (an Order for Provisional Measures)… exactly a pacific recourse foreseen in Article 33. We can and should commend Ukraine for persistently (and creatively) remaining on this path.
Of course, these are good topics for later debate (if we are fortunate enough to be afforded that luxury).
I believe we need to issue the statement today (this evening latest) for relevance/currency. I hope others will respond ASAP (FYI, we are about halfway there in terms of membership).
Best wishes to all,
John
From: Barrett, Nicole <barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca> Sent: February 27, 2022 8:55 PM To: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca>; Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca Subject: Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
Attention : courriel externe | external email
Hi John,
We will endorse and attach some suggested edits.
Best,
Nicole
Nicole A. Barrett (She/Her/Hers)
Director, International Justice and Human Rights Clinic
Peter A. Allard School of Law
University of British Columbia
Unceded xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam) Territory
1822 East Mall | Vancouver, BC Canada V6T 1Z1 Phone: 604 827 0678 | Fax: 604 822 8108
barrett@allard.ubc.camailto:barrett@allard.ubc.ca |www.allard.ubc.cahttp://www.allard.ubc.ca/
@AllardLawhttp://www.twitter.com/allardlaw
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From: <hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres-bounces@lists.umanitoba.ca> on behalf of Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Date: Saturday, February 26, 2022 at 2:23 PM To: Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Cc: "hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca" <hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca> Subject: Re: [HR-rsch] CAHRI Statement on Russian Aggression against Ukraine
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Thanks Kyle for the quick and positive response.
There isn’t much we can individually do in the circumstances – commensurate with the magnitude of what is happening. But we can speak out – and together is better than alone!
Thanks!
John
From: Kyle Matthews <kyle.matthews@concordia.camailto:kyle.matthews@concordia.ca> Sent: February 26, 2022 5:21 PM To: Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> Cc: hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.camailto:hr-research-centres@lists.umanitoba.ca
Hi John,
The Montréal institute for genocide and human rights studies is happy to endorse.
Kyle Matthews
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 26, 2022, at 4:32 PM, Frederick John Packer <John.Packer@uottawa.camailto:John.Packer@uottawa.ca> wrote:
Dear all CAHRI Members,
In this extraordinary moment – when the global rules-based international order is shaken to its core, human rights utterly disregarded, and nuclear war threatened by a Permanent Member of the UN Security Council, I take the liberty to address you hoping for solidarity in issuing the attached joint statement.
We/HRREC-uOttawa believe that the moral and legal basis for our international work is threatened by the actions of Putin/Russia and we cannot sensibly sit silently watching.
I note other important institutions have issued statements.
I believe CAHRI should, too.
I understand some CAHRI Members have policies against issuing any statements or endorsing any. That can be respected by indicating (by an asterisk) those members that wish to include their names; it is also possible to indicate an individual’s name and affiliation (as in X, Professor and Director of Y). It would, of course, be preferable simply to issue the statement for the group as a whole.
Given the speed of developments, it would be preferable to issue the statement by close of business on Monday, 28 February (5pm ET). We could then post it on our websites and also share it with media or others as we deem appropriate.
Thank you for your consideration and response.
I am available for any clarification.
Sincerely,
John
Cell: 613 854 6889
Prof. John Packer
Professeur Neuberger-Jesin sur la résolution de conflits internationaux
Neuberger-Jesin Professor of International Conflict Resolution
Faculté de droit | Faculty of Law
Directeur | Centre de recherche et d’enseignement sur les droits de la personne (CREDP)
Director | Human Rights Research and Education Centre (HRREC)
Université d'Ottawa | University of Ottawa
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