CBC: Crosswalk lost in redesign of Pembina Highway and Plaza Drive (Sept.18'13)
I definitely share the concerns stated below -- coming off the cycle track on Pembina Hwy, we did a jug-handle turn (Copenhagen lefthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGTW06ZgO8) at this intersection to cross Pembina at Plaza on our way to U of M. Seemed much simpler and safer than trying to move across three lanes of traffic to turn left from Pembina. We discovered the lights wouldn't turn green for us unless a motorist on our side was also going across. So on the next trip, we hit the pedestrian button on the north side of the intersection before turning into the vehicle lane and positioned ourselves to cross Pembina. That only resulted in triggering the pedestrian walk sign to light up on the north side of the intersection. Only then did we realize that there was no pedestrian crossing on the south side of the Pembina/Plaza intersection. This seems to force cyclists to cross on the north side of the intersection as a pedestrian, then cross again as a ped on the south side in order to turn left and continue cycling along Plaza. That seems unduly onerous, non-intuitive and confusing for people coming off the cycle track. Initially, I thought it was great that this buffered bike lane landed at an intersection with lights but unfortunately it turns out not to be convenient for either people on foot or on bikes.
If I'm missing something here, please send me a note. Thanks!
-Beth
* * * * * Revamped Winnipeg intersection is dangerous, says woman Crosswalk lost in redesign of Pembina Highway and Plaza Drive intersection CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html Posted: Sep 18, 2013 6:10 PM CT
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/revamped-winnipeg-intersection-is-dan...
A south Winnipeg woman says the busy intersection near her home has become confusing and dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists since it was redesigned last year.
Dorothy Peters says she's had to be a de facto crossing guard at the intersection of Pembina Highway and Plaza Drive lately, stopping people from crossing the street where a crosswalk used to be.
"No crosswalk!" she shouts at someone about to walk across the street on Wednesday, while she waits for a transit bus at the stop on the other side.
"They could be be hit and killed," she said.
Peters said the intersection has been "basically chaos" since September 2012, when the city finished making changes to it.
With the redesign, pedestrians lost one of two crosswalks on Pembina at Plaza.
But Peters said people still try to walk in the non-existent crosswalk, putting themselves at risk of being struck by oncoming traffic.
"I saw this light facing this way, so I thought I could cross this way," said Vivian Krywy, a pedestrian who was redirected by Peters.
"It is very confusing, especially to older people," she added.
Peters has also been talking to cyclists at the intersection, namely those who shift gears from the bike lane to the sidewalk.
River Heights-Fort Garry Coun. John Orlikow says traffic engineers are looking into concerns related to the intersection.
"We send it forward to the engineers to reassess it, if there's anything we can do to make it a little bit safer and a little more clear," Orlikow said.
Hello All,
My bike experiences to U of M from Grant Ave have been interesting. I first tried the "Copenhagen left" and waited for a long time before realizing no light would change for me to get across. I was planning on taking the strip mall route, under the bridge, and continuing with the lovely car-free trails route to the university. After waiting and watching many AM bikers pass me on the bike line I followed suit. One issue is after the bikers pass this intersection many have different ideas of getting to the university. Some cross over lanes, some are following the bus lane, etc,etc, and it is very dangerous and confusing for everyone.
My safest bet has been to start looking to cross the three lanes of traffic after I pass Value Village. Although I have to leave the great bike lane early, I get across more safely to the left turning lane.
I wonder if bikers know of the back route with the new trail paths? I only discovered the new access to the trails by chance this summer. A stoplight change to do the Copenhagen Left may encourage bikers to take this route -if they know it's there and it's great! I was the only biker trying to cross this way last week, maybe everyone else knows the light doesn't change!
If bikers can push the button and know they can get across it would be a great, safe route. I could raise awareness in the UofM student paper if that helps...
Thanks, Leah G.
On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:22 AM, Beth McKechnie beth@greenactioncentre.cawrote:
I definitely share the concerns stated below -- coming off the cycle track on Pembina Hwy, we did a jug-handle turn (Copenhagen lefthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRGTW06ZgO8) at this intersection to cross Pembina at Plaza on our way to U of M. Seemed much simpler and safer than trying to move across three lanes of traffic to turn left from Pembina. We discovered the lights wouldn't turn green for us unless a motorist on our side was also going across. So on the next trip, we hit the pedestrian button on the north side of the intersection before turning into the vehicle lane and positioned ourselves to cross Pembina. That only resulted in triggering the pedestrian walk sign to light up on the north side of the intersection. Only then did we realize that there was no pedestrian crossing on the south side of the Pembina/Plaza intersection. This seems to force cyclists to cross on the north side of the intersection as a pedestrian, then cross again as a ped on the south side in order to turn left and continue cycling along Plaza. That seems unduly onerous, non-intuitive and confusing for people coming off the cycle track. Initially, I thought it was great that this buffered bike lane landed at an intersection with lights but unfortunately it turns out not to be convenient for either people on foot or on bikes.
If I'm missing something here, please send me a note. Thanks!
-Beth
Revamped Winnipeg intersection is dangerous, says woman Crosswalk lost in redesign of Pembina Highway and Plaza Drive intersection CBC News http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html Posted: Sep 18, 2013 6:10 PM CT
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/revamped-winnipeg-intersection-is-dan...
A south Winnipeg woman says the busy intersection near her home has become confusing and dangerous for pedestrians and cyclists since it was redesigned last year.
Dorothy Peters says she's had to be a de facto crossing guard at the intersection of Pembina Highway and Plaza Drive lately, stopping people from crossing the street where a crosswalk used to be.
"No crosswalk!" she shouts at someone about to walk across the street on Wednesday, while she waits for a transit bus at the stop on the other side.
"They could be be hit and killed," she said.
Peters said the intersection has been "basically chaos" since September 2012, when the city finished making changes to it.
With the redesign, pedestrians lost one of two crosswalks on Pembina at Plaza.
But Peters said people still try to walk in the non-existent crosswalk, putting themselves at risk of being struck by oncoming traffic.
"I saw this light facing this way, so I thought I could cross this way," said Vivian Krywy, a pedestrian who was redirected by Peters.
"It is very confusing, especially to older people," she added.
Peters has also been talking to cyclists at the intersection, namely those who shift gears from the bike lane to the sidewalk.
River Heights-Fort Garry Coun. John Orlikow says traffic engineers are looking into concerns related to the intersection.
"We send it forward to the engineers to reassess it, if there's anything we can do to make it a little bit safer and a little more clear," Orlikow said.
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